054 - ONE YEAR EPISODE: The 1st Year of Parenthood (One Year Anniversary)

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Join us as we celebrate our one-year anniversary of this podcast! Today, we walk through the first year of parenthood. The ups and downs, the tips and tricks, and the emotions of it all. Come and hear my husband and I as we remember the first year, now that we’ve been through it five times. We hope you gain some type of nugget of wisdom from this episode, and that you’ll join us for another great birth story again next week!

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Kayla: [00:00:00] I did not know any better, and my pediatrician told me that I should stop breastfeeding and put her on cow's milk because it was time, because she was a year old. Well, that was terrible advice, um, and I didn't know any better, like I said, so I stopped nursing her and tried to put her on cow's milk.

First of all, she had a reaction to the milk, so there you go. But second of all, she got sick for the first time.

I'm Kayla Heder, follower of Jesus, wife and mother of five children, Christian childbirth educator and doula, and your host of the Surrendered Birth Stories Podcast, where we share God centered birth stories, evidence based birth education, and our pursuit of surrendering our birth plans to God. Let's get started.

You guys, it's here. It's here. Yay for one year. It [00:01:00] is officially midnight, so I can officially say that. Happy one year anniversary to our podcast. What a milestone. That is crazy to think about. It's, I don't know. If you've been with us here from the beginning, can you believe it has already been a year?

Wild. And if you are just joining us, I'm looking forward to another year. Season 2 starts today. So with that, I did a little update to our intro and outro, so that's fun. Don't forget also that we started adding outtakes at the end of the episodes a few weeks ago. My husband said he can't commit to putting one every single time because There's not always an outtake to put in, because some people are just so wonderfully perfect, I guess.

But whenever there is an outtake, he is going to put it at the end. So always make sure you listen to the very end of the episode, because sometimes they're really funny. And, here we [00:02:00] go. Season two starts today, but we need more birth stories. I've had people say, Oh, you probably have so many stories. You'd never want to hear mine.

That's not true. We want to hear your birth story, either yours, or if you don't have a birth story to share, Somebody you know, and they don't even have to be recent. You didn't have to just have a baby in order to share your story. I've had a couple people on this podcast who birthed many, many years ago, if not decades ago.

Okay, so that is not a requirement. They just have to be there. God centered. I want to know where God was involved in your birth story. Honestly, we can learn things from any birth story at any point in time, okay? God can teach us things through any one story. So, God centered. There's a form in the show notes.

Now it's at the bottom of every episode. All you have to do is click on that link. It'll take you to a form to fill out some [00:03:00] general information so we can get an idea of what your story is. It comes straight to me and then I will be in touch with you. So if you want to share your story, I would love to hear it.

However many babies you've had, or if it's somebody else, you know, that you think would be a great fit for this podcast and you think their story would just speak to other women and other families out there, please send them that form. We would love to have them on. Okay. Now the moment you've all been waiting for, cause I know you've been waiting for it.

And I'm surprised I'm not yawning more through this because it is midnight. Um, I had to wait and make sure everyone got their last entries in, but if you didn't know, we've been doing a giveaway. It's been going on all week to celebrate our one year anniversary, and the winner is Allison Lewis. So, Allison Lewis, I don't know you personally, but I'm so glad [00:04:00] that somebody tagged you.

Or you found this giveaway somehow. Congratulations, Allison. Yay. That's so exciting. Allison's the winner of our giveaway. So she gets this amazing dress and this beautiful Bible and this amazing candle. It's way more than a candle. You should look up the post. Um, and the Amazon gift card and that amazing bag of coffee.

So. Yay for Allison. I will send you a message and we can get that info so you can get your prizes sent to you ASAP. Yay, Allison. Thank you for everyone who entered. I'm so grateful. This was so fun just to do this for our one year and it makes me look forward to doing more giveaways in the future. It's really cool.

All right, I wanted to give you a little snapshot of next week's episode coming up next week. We're going to dive into our very first wild pregnancy and free birth story that we've [00:05:00] ever had on this podcast. And if you don't know, a wild pregnancy and or free birth basically means that you are your sole care provider for your pregnancy and your birth.

So you don't hire an outside care provider for a midwife or anything like that, um, but you are in charge of yourself. Now some people do it differently, but in a lot of people have varying opinions on free birth and I get that just like everything in motherhood. I pray you can just listen and hear what the Holy Spirit is telling you to do through somebody else's story.

I know you'll love her story. But that's next week. Let's talk about this week's episode. Um, get ready to listen to my favorite guest, my husband. My husband and I talk about the very first year of parenthood. So baby's first year. I hope y'all love it. We had fun recording it. It's a blast.[00:06:00]

Here we are. It's our one year anniversary episode, and I wouldn't want to record it with anybody other than you.

Chris: I'm starting to feel like a natural regular.

Kayla: You are. You are a regular. Well, you are the most important, in my opinion, the most important person in getting this podcast out, because you do all the editing.

You do all of the back end organizing, all the producing, all the sound quality, all of the, you name the episodes if you didn't know that, Chris names every episode, he's the one who gives it the title, um, because he's way more creative than I am.

Chris: Oh, well, I, it's kind of where I live. I like to live behind the scenes.

Yes. Um, I, I also love details as you know, so.

Kayla: You do. You love the details. Yeah. Um. I only like details when I'm telling a story, but if I'm not telling a story, I could care less about the details.

Chris: Well, what's really weird to think about is that we, uh, [00:07:00] we launched when we launched this podcast a year ago, I think we were, uh, it was really strange waiting for the first, you know, cause we launched three at once.

On launch day, on Labor Day, right?

Kayla: Labor Day. Yeah,

Chris: and that was kind of strategic to launch a podcast about birth stories. On Labor

Kayla: Day.

Chris: Labor Day.

Kayla: Even though the real Labor Day has nothing to do with laboring in birth, but still it was a play on words and you love a play on words.

Chris: Yeah, but I remember what it was like just kind of like waiting for them to drop and then to see them.

Up on like Apple podcasts and Spotify. It was so surreal. It was like, Oh my gosh, like we're doing this. This is crazy. We are putting

Kayla: it out there.

Chris: Yeah, that's it. And here we are a year later. It's really sweet. A year

Kayla: later. And this time last year I was pregnant and I'm not pregnant anymore.

Chris: Oh, that's true.

You had India in the belly. Yep.

Kayla: India in the belly. So, I did a poll on Instagram to ask what we should do our one year episode about, and the choices were a really awesome birth [00:08:00] story, which we have most weeks, and then a Q& A episode, which we did for our six month. Where we ask questions and answer them, which I was so tired for that episode.

If we, if and when we record a Q and A episode in the future, I will be having a lot more coffee and we will do it during the day instead of at 11 o'clock at night.

Chris: I had to edit that one a lot, mainly because I couldn't, my brain wasn't working. So I had to pause for like 30 seconds at a time to get my.

Kayla: We've learned we're just, we shouldn't record at 11 o'clock at night.

Chris: So we're recording this at, you know, 10 30 in the morning.

Kayla: Right. Okay. So we did. Um, birth story or a Q& A episode or the first year of parenthood. And then my last option was just other. And then you needed to message me and tell me what you wanted.

Well, 100 percent of people voted to talk about the first year of parenthood. 100%. And here we are. I was shocked. I was like, wow, not even a variety. Just everybody wanted, um, the first year of [00:09:00] parenthood. So that's what we're going to talk about.

Chris: Let's do it. I'm, I'm excited because the first year of parenthood is, you know, it's crucial.

Kayla: Crucial. It's the best though. It, and honestly, so we've done it five times. Gone through the first year of parenthood, and actually we're at the tail end of our fifth time. He'll be, he'll be one in October, but to me, it's the fastest year. It goes by so fast, and it goes by much faster than the pregnancy, in my humble opinion.

Chris: I agree with that.

Kayla: Because your babies change so rapidly. It's like from week to week and from month to month, there is just so much growth and change. And if you do those, um, monthly pictures, which we've done for all of our kids where we set them up next to the same stuffed animal, like in the same chair every month, and we're like, Oh, one month, two months, three months, four months, like, you know, do that.

It's amazing how much they change from month to month. It's [00:10:00] incredible.

Chris: Yeah. And it's also fun to see the time lapse.

Kayla: Yes. Yes. And then we use those pictures at their, at their first birthday party, which is fun. So that first year for us in our experience, it takes us about a year from when our baby is born to feel like we are sort of back to normal or in a solid routine and rhythm.

Because for us, our babies don't usually sleep through the night. Until about a year old or sometimes after and I feel like that has a lot to do with it too But in that whole first year, it's like they're going through so many stages and phases that they're changing so much and your routines have to change so much that I feel like until they hit like a year old and They kind of like slow down a little bit and they're in their development and stuff that it it takes about a year before you and I personally feel like Okay.

This is us. This is good. This is good. This is [00:11:00] our family and this is how life is operating now.

Chris: Well, I, uh, I know that we're speaking from like our own personal experience and it could be different for other people and other families, but I say absolutely that first year, but even more so I noticed after about the three month period, you start to like experience a little bit of a lift from all the, you know, the, the changing and the shifting around of having another person in the house that needs to be taken care of.

And usually once we hit the first, you know, once the first three months are over, I can, it's almost like I can breathe a little bit, a little bit deeper and, um, that's something that I've noticed. Yeah.

Kayla: Let's break it down. So for us, I feel like the easiest way to break it down is in three month increments.

So those first three months, we so sweetly like to refer to it as the fog.

Chris: Oh yeah.

Kayla: Because you feel like you're in a fog. A fog of sweet preciousness, but a fog nonetheless. Because you're not sleeping great. [00:12:00] And you are not thinking the best because you're not sleeping. And it just feels like everything's kind of foggy, but it's like a sweet fog.

It's a precious and fleeting fog. How many times can I say fog in one episode?

Chris: Well, you keep saying it and you'll, you know, break the record.

Kayla: Um, but you know, it's just, it's just that time where everybody is adjusting. So everyone's adjusting to new life. It is not a six week period. Like, I feel like our culture likes to think it is.

And it's definitely like those first three months, everyone's figuring out what does this look like now? How are we going to get from our day to day is, you know, who's responsible for what and who eats when, and it's just, it's an adjustment, but it is so sweet because they're just so precious and new and they smell amazing, their heads and, and you know, you're usually figuring out like breastfeeding and.

And [00:13:00] figuring out like, sometimes if you're having like engorgement issues or, or mastitis or things, and it's like, you're working through all these things. You're healing postpartum, like you're recovering down below. So there's a lot going on, but they are just so sweet. Oh, I don't know. There's nothing like a newborn.

There's just really nothing like a newborn.

Chris: That's absolutely true. And one, I think a different way to say it in a way that really makes sense to me is that whenever you have a baby. Your routine is just kind of thrown out of whack, you know, uh, because you have a lot of new variables that are put into your life.

And so because you have all these new variables, you have to make adjustments and they're not really small adjustments. A lot of them are pretty significant adjustments and you have to reshift, you know, the way that your life looks and, um, which can be really difficult. Each baby has their own temperament and personality and their own, you know, specific needs.

And so, um, [00:14:00] it's just really interesting trying to figure out what does, what does normal look like for us and trying to like work towards that because you almost have to ask yourself those questions like every day in order to get to a place where you, especially for people who really love like a really solid routine, you know,

Kayla: little babies don't do routines very well.

Like the new, the newborns, they're not any kind of, they're not on any kind of schedule when they come out. Um, And so they, they'll throw yours off, but it's funny because in that time in the newborn first three months, it's like your breakfast, you eat it at lunch and your lunch, you eat it around dinner and your dinner, you eat it around midnight.

Like it just, everything kind of shifts, but I have the sweetest memories from like those late nights. Like you and I watching some like fixer upper show and eating a pizza, like ordering a pizza at like 11 o'clock at night, just because we're talking about

Chris: a first baby, we, we definitely stayed up and watched lost.

Kayla: Oh, it was Lost. Yes. With Brinkley, we did. We stayed up and watched Lost. I discovered it during [00:15:00] her first growth spurt with breastfeeding. It's like, people had told me about it, but I'd never watched it. And when, when I discovered she was having her first growth spurt, which the first year is full of a lot of growth spurts.

Um, and she just wouldn't stop eating, and I was basically secluded to the couch all day. And there was a snowstorm, so like, no one was going anywhere or doing anything. We turned on Lost, and I was like, okay, I'll give it like, three episodes, and we'll see what happens. And then eleven episodes later We went to bed.

Chris: Well, also leave it up to a really good snowstorm to keep you in, indoors.

Kayla: Yeah. We just had like a fire going all day. No one was going to work or anything because there was nine inches of snow on the ground. And she nursed for two out of every three hours that day. And then she'd be fine for like 15 minutes.

And then you would spend like 45 minutes trying to make her not cry. And then we would finally just put her back on the breast. And then she was like, ah, this is where I wanted to be.

Chris: Yeah, some kids are like that, you know, we had, we had two that were like that.

Kayla: [00:16:00] Well, during a growth spurt, especially.

Chris: Oh yeah, for sure.

Kayla: Okay, but once you get out of the first three months, you kind of, like you said, you kind of get your bearings a little bit, but you still have a little one. You still have a baby who can sleep on the go typically, um, if they like their car seat, because we've had both, we've had some who like the car seat and some who hate the car seat.

So that's always a challenge if they hate the car seat. But, um, but they're still like, they sleep all the time. They can just kind of fall asleep wherever. And so you feel like you can almost get out and about more because you're not in that healing, like laying down period, but there's still so little that they can kind of just go with the flow and they start to get their face and they start to get their personality and they start to engage with you and

Chris: the little glimpses are so fun and

Kayla: they start smiling and laughing and rolling over and it's just.

Oh, it's just so sweet. And every, it's just so, [00:17:00] I don't know why it's like so captivating when a baby comes in the room. It's like, everybody wants to see the baby and every, even still, Indy is 10 months old and this morning I went to go get him when he woke up and everybody wanted to be the first one to see him and the first one to hold him and.

Because it was weird. He was the last one awake. I'm just like, wow, your baby brother's almost a year old and everyone's still obsessed with you, which is sweet. And then I would say when you hit about the nine months, it's like some babies by then have started moving around and others like ours are still just sitting still.

Chris: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Kayla: But you're, you might be getting. There's just a lot of

Chris: mass there. Yeah. Yes, for

Kayla: our babies. There's so much mass.

Chris: It's like, how do I move myself around with my little muscles, but also at the same time, I'm really thick. So.

Kayla: Right. Really, really dense babies. Yes. And he's 22 pounds. And he's 10 months old.

So he's hefty, but not as hefty as Milo. Milo is still bigger. [00:18:00] Ooh. Yeah. But anyways, like nine months comes and, and you're starting, like everything's sort of starting to shake out and again, and this is kind of in the period where we are now, like the nine to 12 months where it's like, okay, we basically know how our days are usually going to go.

And he basically takes, you know, naps at these times and basically sleeps.

It's just a little bit more predictable, but I don't know. It's just something about one year. It's kind of like when they hit that one year, you're like, okay, all right. It's good. Everything's good. And I love zero to two, like newborn to two years old. That's just like, Oh, that's your

Chris: spot. That's my spot.

Kayla: That is, that's, well, that's when they like me the most.

Chris: And then they transition to dad because dad can throw them around.

Kayla: Yeah. It's like once they become two and it's like then all of a sudden you become the favorite parent. Well, and it's usually because I'm nursing them. And so they usually stop nursing somewhere [00:19:00] around two something and then it's like, well, now dad is the coolest because I don't nurse anymore.

And so he throws me up in the air and we have way more fun.

Chris: Yeah. Yeah. We do have way more fun.

Kayla: So let's talk about milestones. So some parents, especially first time parents. can get really caught up in these usually gross motor milestones. When is my baby going to roll over? When are they going to start crawling?

When are they going to pull up to standing? When are they going to cruise around the furniture? When are they going to walk? Because the pediatrician will have these like, well, most babies do it by such and such months. And then parents get really concerned if their baby isn't doing it by then. But I just want to tell you, that is not anything to stress over.

That's not anything to worry about. When your baby walks, when your baby talks, I promise you by the time all of these sweet babies have grown a little and are, you know, turning five and going to [00:20:00] kindergarten, it's like, you're not going to be able to tell which one of those kids walked first or talked first or crawled first or moved first.

You won't know because by then everyone looks the same, like everyone's acting the same, they can all run and talk and jump and play. So you do not need to be concerned about your baby not crawling by nine months or walking by 12 months. It is not a big deal. Us personally, all of our babies, like I think we touched on before, have been very, Um, late in comparison to your normal range, I guess you would say, your average range of crawling and walking, our daughter did not start walking until she was 22 months old.

So she was almost Which is so late

Chris: for, I mean, in terms of like the average.

Kayla: Right, when they tell you they're going to walk her on 12 months and then your child isn't even crawling yet, you know, like some might get concerned. But thankfully at that, [00:21:00] at that time, you know, I've, I've had my fair share of issues with pediatricians, but our pediatrician very much was like a low, low stress, which I did appreciate.

But she was like, nope, she just, when she wants to, when she's ready to, she will like she's, there's nothing physically wrong with her. She just. Isn't ready yet. And so when she was 22 months, you know, so she was almost two years old and she started walking. I, I promise you by two years old, she was sprinting around the house.

Like. It's just, she just wasn't ready yet. And she didn't crawl until she was 14 months old. So different babies are in different schedules. I have a friend, all of her kids are like walking by seven or eight months old. It's weird to me because that's not my experience, but it's normal for her. So all kids are on different paces.

So please do not be concerned. Like, Oh, they're only saying one word. Or like, I promise, like our three year old, um, didn't really start saying words until after he was two. And now, he talks a [00:22:00] lot and does sentences and questions and all the things. It's just different kids. They grow it at different rates and usually, like I said, by the time they're five, everything's pretty much evened out.

Chris: Yeah. And I say that that's, you know, the, the only exception to the rule is, you know, of course, if you discover something that's, you know, some sort of an ailment that needs to be addressed. But outside of that, like if everything's normal, quote unquote, I guess, then, I mean, it's nothing to worry about.

Kayla: Yeah. Don't, don't stress over it. Don't. Don't start signing your kids up for orthopedic specialists and pediatric physical therapy. Like, I feel like people start doing that when they hit the 18 month mark. And it's like, nah, just give, just give them a few more months. Just give them a little bit more time to work out.

What

Chris: would you say is like the, the point at which you should maybe address something and be, if there was any sort of concern, like, what would you say is like the point?

Kayla: Well, usually there are other things [00:23:00] going on too. Like if, if a child is not walking, not talking, not able to eat solid foods, not like if there's across the board, several issues happening, um, you, you probably would have already picked up that something else is going on by then.

Yeah. But if there's like multiple issues going on, and if, again, if you ever do have a concern and something in your gut, like Holy Spirit is saying something's going on here, you need to get this checked out, then by all means, sure, take him to the pediatrician and get him checked out. But I'm just saying in the vast majority of cases, usually they just need a little bit more time and that's fine.

Chris: Nothing to stress over.

Kayla: Nothing to stress about. So a big part of the first year of parenting. Sleep. Or the lack thereof. Um, babies, like I said, right, they They're not on a schedule when they come out, [00:24:00] when they're first born, but eventually they kind of develop into like a rhythm and a lot of it centers around eating, you know, waking up to eat because babies, you know, are not meant to sleep all night long without a meal.

Their tummies are tiny and they need to be refilled throughout the night. They are just, they're not adults and they're not even children, they are babies and they operate differently. So sleep looks different than before a baby. Now, typically, um, if you're breastfeeding, they honestly usually wake up more at night because half of the reason they want a nurse is for comfort.

So it's like partially for food and partially for comfort. And so sometimes when you're bottle feeding, they won't wake up as much because there's no breast there. It's different. So if, if you're like, my friend's baby is only getting up once a night and my baby's getting up four times a night. And if your friend's baby [00:25:00] is bottle feeding, then that probably has a lot to do with it.

So just like not comparing with milestones, I wouldn't compare with how many times a night your friend's baby is getting up versus your baby. Because, again, all kids are going to be different here, but it is normal and very developmentally appropriate for nursing babies to wake up all night long. And now, they usually just nurse and go right back to sleep once you are past those first couple of months.

Um, so kind of like we said, once you hit that three month mark, they're typically just nursing and then going right back to sleep, but they might do that five times. And there's something, something called the four month sleep regression. So, I'm going to be talking about different theories as to why this happens that we're not going to get into, but feel free to research it on your own.

But a lot of times around four months, so you know, somewhere between three and five months, if they had been sleeping longer stretches or falling asleep [00:26:00] earlier, you might notice this. Okay. them waking up sooner or having a harder time going back to sleep or having a harder time falling asleep in the first place.

It's no joke. All right. It like for me, whenever we've gone through it, it is like taking me back to the first couple of weeks of their life. And I'm like, Whoa, I feel like we're doing this all over again. But by then sometimes people are back to work and everyone thinks like, Oh, life is normal now, but then you're actually getting less sleep than when they were first born.

Chris: Yeah, this was very accurate for all of our children. All of our children had this type of a situation, whether it was like right exactly at four months or like around four months, it was definitely, I mean, I saw it. Yeah,

Kayla: we would get to this point where they could only sleep like 45 minutes at a time.

And that, oof, True's was the worst. Worst. I will say that. I felt so bad for

Chris: you, having to get up and nurse him in the middle of the night, like, what, like 10, 12 times a night?

Kayla: Oh my gosh, it was terrible. And the hard part for me was that [00:27:00] it would take me like 20 minutes to fall back asleep. And so then it was like, I would nurse him for like 20 some minutes or like maybe like 20 minutes.

And then I would put him down and he'd be back asleep. And then it would take me like 20 minutes to fall asleep. And then because he's sleeping like 45 minutes, he would only sleep for like 20 more minutes and then he would wake up again. And so it was like, I was getting 20 minutes at a time of sleep.

Like, throughout the night, and I was a zombie. Oh man. And I had just gone back to work, and it was, it was, that was, that was a bad time.

Chris: That

Kayla: was, that was not great.

Chris: I'm glad that we're not reliving that with Indy. That was something.

Kayla: Yeah. Indy, Indy had his, his regression as well that was difficult, but it wasn't as bad as Truce, that's for sure.

When it comes to sleeping during the day, I feel like everyone gets so concerned about nighttime that we almost get daytime sleep. You will have some families [00:28:00] who just keep going with life and they are out and about and on the go all the time and their babies end up just being forced to sleep wherever.

They are. And then you will have other families who stick to a very tight nap schedule and the baby is always home for that nap and like in a controlled

Chris: environment so it's consistent for the baby. Yeah.

Kayla: Yeah. So, um, it looks different from family to family. You'll need to figure out what works for you. I will say.

We have sort of defaulted to a nap schedule. Now it's not at a time. It's not like their nap is at three o'clock or their nap is at one o'clock. It was just sort of like, Oh, they've been up for this amount of time. Now it's time for them to take a nap. But for us, our kids always slept so much better and we're so much happier and healthier if we were at home for naps, our kids did not sleep well on the go.

And [00:29:00] honestly would be much fussier and crankier. If so, and they would sleep so much longer, like at home once we got into like a good rhythm and routine. And so, and my kids, whenever I finally get them sort of like napping without me, cause you know, in the beginning it's sort of like they're napping on you or they're nursing to sleep or whatnot, but eventually I'll get to the point, usually by six months, somewhere in there, six to 10, six to eight, I don't know, eight months, maybe somewhere in there where it's like, I can put them down for a nap and I don't have to like be with them for the nap.

And they sleep so much longer, like, and then they're happier and then they sleep better at night because they're sleeping better during the day. And that's a mistake a lot of first time parents make is they think like, Oh, if I just keep them awake more during the day, then they'll sleep better at night.

But actually it doesn't work like that. They get overly tired and then they have a harder time sleeping at night and it's sort of like a vicious negative cycle that continues. Whereas if you flip it and they are sleeping [00:30:00] better during the day and longer during the day, then they actually sleep better and longer at night.

Chris: It's sleep hygiene.

Kayla: Sleep hygiene. Well, and your, and how much sleep you get actually has a lot to do with your immune system and how easily you can get sick or recover from an illness has a lot to do with your sleep.

Chris: Absolutely. Yeah.

Kayla: So whatever route you take, just make sure it's the best one For your family.

Speaking of immune systems and sickness, let's talk about the first time your baby gets sick because it's going to happen.

Chris: Let's talk about baby sickness.

Kayla: There is my husband, always turning everything into a song. So I vividly remember the first time Brinkley got sick. Now actually she did not get sick until her, until she was a year old.

But I, you know, like knowing what I know now, I know exactly why that happened. So when she hit a year, um, she did not get sick her entire first year of [00:31:00] life. And I believe that was in great part because A, I was breastfeeding her. B, we did not have older siblings at the home who were, like, bringing germs in, and C, she was not in daycare.

So I think that had a lot to do with how healthy she was her first year. However, when she hit a year old, I did not know any better. And my pediatrician told me that I should stop breastfeeding and put her on cow's milk because it was time, because she was a year old. Well, that was terrible advice, um, and I didn't know any better, like I said.

So I stopped nursing her. First of all, she had a reaction to the milk, so there you go. But second of all, she got sick for the first time. And I think, um, I think a big part of it was because I stopped nursing her. And I was trying to wean her, um, and I think it also was probably because it was the middle of winter.

So there's that. But also, she had just had her first birthday [00:32:00] party and she just had sugar for the first time. So she ate that smash cake and went to town. And so I just think sort of like all those contributing factors, um, played into it. But regardless, the first time your baby gets sick, for me It is the hardest part of parenting for me is when my kids are sick.

And I think it's gotten easier over the years just with experience. But, first of all, I cannot stand to be sick, I hate being sick, I do not, I do not like physically not feeling well. I could handle emotionally not feeling well way easier than physically not feeling well, personally speaking. Enneagram seven, I like to avoid pain.

But I have natural birth, so that just means birth's not that painful.

Chris: It means that it's such, just such an enjoyable and memorable and significant experience that it's worth all of that for you.

Kayla: But I'm not going to get tangent in on that. We are sticking with baby [00:33:00] sickness. Okay. So the first time she got sick, she had croup, which she proceeded to get every year for the next couple of years.

Um, and I just remember feeling so helpless. Like I didn't know what to do. So I'm just like Googling all this stuff and we ended up sitting, you know, in a steamy bathroom with her and then taking her outside in the cool air and all that kind of stuff. But she ended up, so it had only been a week or two of weaning, um, and so she ended up wanting to nurse constantly.

Looking back, I'm so grateful for that. But at the time I was frustrated, I was like, no, we were supposed to be weaning. But, but I'm so grateful. She ended up nursing for two more months because she got sick. And so, um, she nursed pretty much around the clock, which, you know, obviously helped her get better faster.

But again, I didn't know any of that at the time. So whenever it happens, whatever the sickness is, There are resources out there besides Tylenol. So, [00:34:00] you can

Chris: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, based upon what some of the standard baby sicknesses are, that a baby would normally get sick with during that time, um, like the first time a baby would get sick, what, what are some things that you can do to combat that on the front end?

But what are some things that when they do get sick, I mean, depending on what they're sick with, I mean, I know what we would probably do with our family, but what would you suggest? When they do get sick, how to handle that?

Kayla: That is such a loaded question. That's going to require it's entirely own podcast episode.

Chris: Oh, oh, it's going on the docket right now. Feature

Kayla: episode. Just, just added it to our list of things to record.

Chris: How to take care of your sick baby.

Kayla: How to take care of your sick baby. That's good. So we're not going to spend an hour talking about that. Cause I definitely could.

Chris: Could you rapid fire?

Kayla: I could rapid fire and just say, keep them outside as much as possible, get them as much sunshine as possible, breastfeed them as much as possible.

[00:35:00] And if you're breastfeeding, keep your diet in check, um, you know, low sugar, low process, up your vitamin C and stuff. And if they're eating solid foods, make sure they're clean, whole foods. It's nothing processed and, and junky and yeah, that's all I'm going to say for now.

Chris: What about if they, what about if they have an ear infection?

Kayla: Oh yeah, ear infections, it's like they either get a cold or they get an ear infection from the cold. Oh, nose Frida, get your nose Frida out. And suck up that snot out of their nose. Cause that's the thing is they get all congested and, and snotty and they don't know how to blow their noses, obviously. So you have to suck it out for them.

Chris: Why is it better than one of those like little bulb syringes?

Kayla: You can get more out. The bulb syringes also can kind of hurt their noses, but. I feel like the nose frita is stronger and it can get more from like a higher place than the nose or than the bulb syringe.

Chris: So can you debunk some myths about the nose frita right now?

Kayla: You're not gonna get the [00:36:00] snot in your mouth. Nice. Okay, people, the nose frita is this like snot sucker is what I call it, but you stick like a little tube in their nose and then you suck on the other end and it like drains the snot and gets like the snot to come out of their nose so that they can breathe better, but you won't get it in your mouth, I promise.

Yes. You'll be good to go. That's always a concern, but you want to do that so that they can breathe better at night too, um, so that they can breathe better, but if you do, if your kid gets an ear infection, I will just say this and we'll, we'll deep dive more into this. Let's do that. Let's do a future episode on taking care of your sick baby, but.

Let's say they get an ear infection, they do not have to go on antibiotics. It's not an automatic antibiotic situation. There is this stuff called garlic. Oil or we have the Mullen it's like garlic Mullen ear oil. And you actually, you can look it up real simple. Um, sell it on Amazon, even sell it [00:37:00] at like, you know, target and that kind of stuff usually to now, but, um, but you heat up the oil, just run it under some water, like in the bottle.

And then you just put a couple of drops. And whichever ear is giving them issues, or both ears, and just like put a cotton ball over their ear to keep it in there and, and let them lay for a while. And I promise you, for us, over the years, we have not dealt with many ear infections, but when we have, just using that oil, we have never had to put our children on antibiotics.

It's a good thing to have that for your infections, because that oil

Chris: always nips it in the bud. Praise ye

Kayla: the Lord. There he goes again. Okay, so yeah. So I recommend doing that, because you can deep dive into why it's not great to give your child or yourself antibiotics for every little thing that comes their way.

But we can talk more about that in that future episode that we will do at some point. But babe, it may not be you who does that with me. Sorry.

Chris: Yeah, I'm not probably the person for that, but

Kayla: throughout your baby's first year. [00:38:00] Depending, you know, on their ages and stages, growth spurts, getting sick, all the different things, what the weather is, blah, blah, blah, like all the things.

There are just some times when your baby is going to be cranky or fussy. They might be teething. That's a whole thing. They usually got teeth coming in their first year. Some people love to do, um, the amber teething necklaces. You can google that. It's just a little necklace they wear around their neck and it's supposed to help with like the irritation of their mouth.

Also you can do earthly cells like a teeth tamer tincture, um, that you can put that I've used that's helped our babies through teething. But regardless of why they're being fussy, I guarantee, like, I wanna say nine times outta 10, but I even wanna say 95 times out of a hundred. If you just take your baby outside, usually that makes them happier.

like [00:39:00] taking your baby outside, just getting them in the a different environment. Taking them from whatever you've been doing outside, even if it's 30 degrees, just wrap them up in a hat and a coat or a blanket and take them outside. They love to be outside. And I think it's because their bodies instinctually know that like, this is where I'm meant to be and this is, you know, where I was created.

Um, to be in God's creation. So I know from the moment they're like newborns all the way to now, honestly, but just taking them outside and getting that environment shift changes their mood in, in the best way.

Chris: I attest to this. It's, I, there have been many times where I just took my baby outside and they stopped crying.

Cause they're just so, they're either so interested in their surroundings or it's actually what they wanted, you know?

Kayla: Yeah.

Chris: Um, and it's, it was the thing that they didn't know that they needed.

Kayla: Yeah. Well, and they can get mesmerized by sights and sounds cause [00:40:00] outside things can be so much further away and it's helping the development of their farsightedness to be able to look at those things off in the distance where everything inside your house is close.

Chris: Yeah. And when you're, when you're focusing on things that are far away, you're actually relaxing your eye muscles like within your eye. And so that could be even something that their, their body's craving that is not really possible indoors.

Kayla: Yeah. Being outside in a natural light like that actually does really help their eyes to develop properly.

Got that from my 1000 hours outside podcast with Jenny Urich.

Chris: Thanks Jenny.

Kayla: I just have to plug her whenever I can cause she's the best. Um, so being outside, but also some people will say, well, I can't because I've got, you know, this going on inside or my other kid is. I don't know. Whatever the situation is, or maybe there's a tornado outside.

Like, I don't know. Like whatever, whatever the situation is. The alternative. If there's a tornado

Chris: outside, you should not do the next thing you're about to suggest.

Kayla: Okay. [00:41:00] Let's just say there's a monsoon and you don't have any covering, like you don't have a porch or anything. Okay. So if that's the case, here's a couple of things you could do.

You could just like open the front door and let them sit by the front door and just look outside. So that's an option. But also. Put them in the bath.

Chris: The bath.

Kayla: It works wonders. Baths should not just be reserved for right before they go to bed at night. Because most kids love baths. And maybe if your kid doesn't like a bath right now at like three months old, just wait a few months.

Once they can sit up unassisted in the bath, It is like their favorite place, usually. So I know for us, if we're just kind of having a funky day and, you know, we can't leave the house for some reason, or the weather's terrible, or like for just maybe like I'm cooking a bunch of stuff and I don't know.

Well, thankfully, I have other kids that can help with this, because don't ever leave your baby unattended in the [00:42:00] bath. But, but sometimes I'll leave them in there with Brinkley, my 10 year old, who can watch them very well. Um, but they love getting in the bath. It changes everything. It's a great, you know, fun time for them.

They also get clean, which is cool. And you don't need, you don't need to use soap or anything, like just let them play in the water. Like. They just have such a fun time and it changes their mood. So this might

Chris: not exactly be a pro tip anyway, but this does not just apply to babies. This definitely applies to our toddlers as well.

Kayla: Yeah. Just

Chris: get them in the bath and they're like, Oh yeah, this is actually kind of fun. And I'm no longer fussing about the thing that I was originally fussing about.

Kayla: Except the toddlers tend to make a lot bigger mess with all the splashing in the water.

Chris: Oh, that's true. Yeah.

Kayla: So, be prepared for that. But, but yes, if you're in that first year and it's like, well, he's eaten and he's not teething and he has slept and like, you just feel like you've checked all the boxes and they have a clean diaper and like, what could [00:43:00] possibly be wrong with them?

And you can't go outside, then put them in the bathroom. It's super, super helpful and has saved me many, many, many times.

Chris: Those are some wise words, babe.

Kayla: Mm. Put them in the back. I'll touch on this for a second, um, because this has less to do with your baby and more to do with you. But if you are breastfeeding and you're wondering, when is my period going to return?

This isn't an episode about that as much as it usually does happen within the first year. Some unfortunate souls will get their periods back, you know, six weeks later, even though they're exclusively nursing on demand around the clock. Other people who are, again, usually nursing around the clock won't get their periods back for two years.

It just depends on your body, but the average, I would say average, it comes back sometime in that first year. [00:44:00] So, people are like, well, can I get pregnant? Is, is that possible? If you're, whether or not you want to, like, if you're wanting to get pregnant or if you're trying to avoid getting pregnant. I always say until your cycle is back, like until it comes back, I would, and if you're not wanting to get pregnant, then take the necessary precautions to prevent it.

Just assume you're

Chris: ovulating if you, if you're trying to prevent it.

Kayla: Assume you're always ovulating because you will ovulate before you get your first period. And so there have been a ton of women who have ended up getting pregnant and not knowing it. Um, because their cycle hadn't come back yet and they just ended up getting pregnant on that first, the first time they ovulated and so they just never got a period back.

So if you don't want that to happen to you, just make sure you're preventing. And then whenever your cycle does come back, um, with nursing. Whenever it comes, it usually is not routine [00:45:00] and predictable for a while. It usually is very unorganized for a while because of the nursing. So you could have, you know, a period that is a week long, and then you could go five more weeks and then get another one.

Or you could have a period that's like three days long and then two weeks later you have another one It's just sort of all over the place for a while until Your body sort of like gets back into a rhythm and that usually goes hand in hand with how often they're nursing So as they are eating more solid foods and as they're cutting some of their nursing out, especially once you get past the first year Then you'll notice that your cycle when it comes back will start to regulate a little bit more

Chris: Yeah, and this is generally across the board, like, not just from our personal experience too.

Kayla: Definitely. Although I would say I'm pretty much in that average boat of, I usually always get it back in the first year. And it, it definitely, I've noticed ties hand in hand with how often I'm nursing them. So. [00:46:00]

Chris: Can we talk about like some fun stuff for, uh, like first birthday parties?

Kayla: Can we, of course we can.

Let's talk about your first, your baby's first birthday party.

Chris: Because that is such an exciting moment and such an exciting time. And it's talk about, it's not like a milestone, but for a family, it's a milestone.

Kayla: Because it's not just a celebration of their first year. It's a celebration of your first year of.

Parenting them. Of taking care of them. You made it. You made it through a whole year. Uh, for us, we have always had a big birthday party for the first birthday party. And then after that, it just sort of like, we don't really have parties for them again until they're old enough to realize what a birthday is, what a birthday party is, and they ask for one.

Which is usually, yeah, usually around five years old is when they start. Um, and typically it's because they have older siblings who are celebrating theirs, but a first birthday party is so special. We end up for [00:47:00] us, we have it at our house and we do their monthly pictures on the wall. So like those pictures that we took at one month, two months, three months, all the way, I print them all out and we put them all up on the wall in order is like, decoration.

I usually have their baby book out that I have filled out somewhat and have pictures in it, which I always just typically end up doing that last minute to like, as part of the party prep. And for us, we've always done like a theme with the food. So, um, we've always done a bar of some type. So for Brinkley's, First birthday, we did a sub sandwich bar.

So everyone got to pick out their bread, their meat, their cheeses, their condiments, their toppings, and everyone did a sub sandwich. It was great. I loved it because sandwiches are the best. And we had it at like lunchtime. For Milo's, you were a vegan. And so we did a giant salad bar and we had different types of lettuce and different toppings and different [00:48:00] dressings and

Chris: You're welcome, that was a beautiful day.

Kayla: And we had like, um, we had sides too, but like the entree Hummus. Yes, the entree was, um, everyone made, just made a giant, like, entree salad. Almost like you were at Jason's Deli, you know? Oh, man. Jason's Deli salad bar.

Chris: People talk about the salad bar at Ruby Tuesday No. The Jason's Deli salad bar is That's, that's where I would live.

It's

Kayla: all about the Jason Stelly stuff. Oh man,

Chris: yes. For sure. Back to, back to subject matter.

Kayla: Back to first birthday parties. For Jensen's first birthday party was the best in my humble opinion. It was amazing. We did a walking taco bar. It was so fun. We got all those little bags of very processed Fritos and we had people, we had like, you know, the taco meat or I think we also did like shredded chicken and black beans and stuff.

All the like cheeses, sour cream, salsa, like whatever you want to put on it. It was so much [00:49:00]fun. And then just had forks. And so everyone did walking tacos. That was a great party.

Chris: You should probably apologize to your listeners about the Fritos.

Kayla: I'm sorry. We don't do that anymore. But,

Chris: but if you do,

Kayla: but it's fine.

No, it was just, it was for walking to, I grew up with walking tacos. Um, so it was just sort of like,

Chris: nostalgic,

Kayla: nostalgic for me. Um, for true's first birthday, we did a pasta bar. We had, Like, we had like a whole wheat spaghetti, and then we had a tortellini, and then I think we had a penne, and then we had different sauces.

So it was like, we have marinara or alfredo or pesto, and then we had different toppings, like you could have chicken or broccoli or sausage? What did I? Anyways, and so everyone just made like, Whatever kind of pasta they wanted. And we had like bread and salad on the side and

Chris: it was just so fun. People were sleeping by the end of that party.

Kayla: Yeah. Well,

Chris: all the, like the carb overload,

Kayla: but it was a [00:50:00] great party. So that's what we've done for all of ours. We've never had like, um, The, the like cutesy little like jungle theme or like, I don't know, whatever themes people do for their first birthdays, but we've always done like a bar and this year we're getting ready for Indiana's first birthday and we're doing a breakfast bar.

Chris: Oh.

Kayla: So we're going to do like, um, scrambled eggs and bacon and.

Chris: I didn't know this. I didn't know this.

Kayla: Hey, babe, we're doing a breakfast bar for Indy's first birthday.

Chris: Oh my gosh. And

Kayla: you're in charge of the coffee bar.

Chris: Oh, let's go. Can I get a new coffee? Like, can we get a new espresso machine? No,

Kayla: no, no, babe, no.

Um, but anyways, we're gonna do a breakfast bar.

Chris: Selfish, selfish, uh, plug here. If you happen to own a bounce house rental business, Uh, you can set up bounce houses for the older kids that are coming to the birthday party for your kids. Yeah. So if you're, if you're like us and you have bounce [00:51:00] houses in your garage, you can just set them all up and let the kids go for it.

Yeah. One year old can't do it, but.

Kayla: We, okay. Side bit. We do have a little family business called ever jump inflatables here in the triad and we rent out, um, like inflatable bounce houses and stuff, but it all started. This is how it all started. I'm going to say this really fast because this is now officially off topic, but it all started because our next door neighbors at our old house had a big bounce blower thing and like a jumpy bounce house and they would let us use it for birthday parties for super cheap.

I mean for like 25. Like it was so cheap. Well, then our kids just came to like expect that, but it was fine. So it was like, it's our neighbors and it's 25 bucks. It's no big deal. Well, then one time their bouncer was not available for the birthday party. And we had already promised our daughter that she could have one.

So we had to rent it from a company. We had to rent it from a company [00:52:00] and it was like, you know, 300 or 250 or something like that, which we were not expecting to pay and we were not prepared to pay for, but we had made a promise and all the things. Well, then of course, then our son wanted one for his birthday party.

And Chris and I were just like, you know what? If we buy a bouncer ourselves, then A, we don't have to worry about renting it every time. And B, it will pay for itself, because now we have five kids, and if you have five birthday parties a year, I mean, like, it'll pay for itself in like a year. And C, we could rent it out to other people in the meantime to help make up for what we just spent on it.

And so that's what we did. But then within, all of

Chris: a sudden you go one step further and you start viewing it as an asset. And now all of a sudden it became a business and we bought three more.

Kayla: Well, you can thank Patrick Hayes for that actually. Shout

Chris: out Patrick Hayes. Shout out to

Kayla: Patrick. He was talking to Chris one day and then suddenly Chris came home and was [00:53:00] like, we're starting a business.

And I said, okay. So anyways, um, but yeah, so for all of our kids birthday parties, we usually just throw up one of the bounce houses and. It's a, it's a blast. And so if

Chris: you want to bounce house for your triad birthday party, just look up ever jump inflatables.

Kayla: Babe, I'll, I'll link your business in the comments.

Chris, that

Chris: really is

Kayla: your business. I really have nothing to do with that anymore other than just knowing when you're going to be gone and when you're coming home.

Chris: Yeah. Well, I have, I have plans for you to become more involved.

Kayla: Oh, that's sweet.

Chris: Just like I, just like I'm involved with your, you know, podcast.

That's great.

Kayla: You really are. You're, you make this happen. All right, guys, back to the one year. We're almost done here.

Chris: This is what you get when I'm a guest on the episode.

Kayla: It is. It is. Well, cause if I do this with a guest, you cut it all out. So that's right.

Chris: But it's going to stay in.

Kayla: So, okay. So you've had [00:54:00] your first year, a year that has flown by.

You've gone through the eating issues, the sleeping issues, the not stressing about milestones. The getting sick for the first time, all those different things, you're watching them grow and change, and it's amazing, and it's wonderful, and now you've celebrated their first birthday party with the smash cake, usually, that's usually our kids typically first sugar dose is.

At their little smash cake at their first birthday, which two of our kids have not even touched theirs. So that's been fun. And the other two totally annihilated them. So we'll see what Indy does. He'll be the tiebreaker here, but I have a feeling I know which direction it's going. . He'll be an Annihilator.

Yeah. Um, so you've done all this and you've made it through your first year. And if you are in that right now, I just wanna say congratulations because Oh man. It is. What a,

Chris: if you're listening to this and you are that person, you're a pro.

Kayla: You're a pro. Nice [00:55:00] work. You did it. And now I feel like when you get to the first year, cause some people be like, I can't have any more kids and da, da, da, da, but I feel like once you're after a year in, you're like, okay, like I could, I could see doing that again.

Chris: Yeah. My advice for someone who would say that is don't get ahead of yourself.

Kayla: You're really funny. Okay. Okay. I will say, we're going to say one last thing here, we're going to end it with this. So parenting or bringing a child into the home in whatever way that is, whether you had them biologically or you're fostering or you adopted them. When you have your baby or your child, it can either make your marriage so much stronger and bring you so much closer with your spouse.

Or, if you let it, it can divide you intensely and cause a lot of conflict and resentment and just [00:56:00] a lot of things of the enemy. So we actually have talked about doing a whole episode on this about marriage, the marriage relationship after bringing a baby into the home and how it changes from, you know, before you were parents.

So we are going to do a full episode on that in the future. Hopefully soon. Um, Can I be a part of that one? Yeah. Yes. Yes, you will. But is there anything you want to say about that as we end? Just because I do feel like while parenting in your first year affects you so much, you know, as, as a person, whether you're the mom or the dad, it affects your marriage, um, intensely.

Chris: Yeah. Well, I think the big thing is just learning what your spouse needs. from you. Um, and so, I mean, if you're fluent in what the love languages are, you know, Dr. Gary Chapman has a book called, uh, the five love languages that's helped us a lot in learning what [00:57:00] each person needs the most of, um, in order to feel like they're loved and supported.

And so Kayla, for you, it was acts of service. So for me, I was like, whatever I can do to make sure that you feel like you're being served and that you have all of your needs met. I mean, that was my, that was my main priority. But also, you know, on the flip side, being able to communicate with each other, when you have, when there is a lack, uh, where you feel like there's a lack, where you have a need that's not being met, because even though it's hard having a newborn and having a baby, I mean, there are still needs within the marriage, and the marriage should not be neglected just because there is Someone in the house that, you know, requires a lot of attention, um, and support just because they can't support themselves, you know, and so in order for that to happen, they're just need, I mean, gosh, it sounds so cliche, but just to have supreme amounts of communication and, um, and knowing, and also knowing how to communicate because there are some [00:58:00] days where everyone's just tired and cranky.

And, uh, just being aware of how you communicate to each other and in a life giving way, um, and not in a passive aggressive way. And so anyway, I, I think those are probably the biggest things that I would say in terms of the first year of parenting and we can expound on it in the, you know, the episode to come.

Kayla: But

Chris: I think that that is in a nutshell, probably the, some of the biggest things. And also, you know, of course, just staying in prayer because if, and this is something that I really have to remind myself to do because I, when you live in the urgent. And all the things that have to be done, especially when, you know, one spouse is out for the count, you know, taking care of the baby and staying in bed, especially right after giving birth, there are just, there's some slack to be picked up and there's a lot of urgent things that appear.

And so for me, the tendency is to, you know, to live in the urgent and to make sure everything is taken care of and just to become, you know, in a lot of senses, just becoming, uh, Martha. But I think that. That was a [00:59:00] biblical reference, by the way. The story of Mary and Martha. But just to be able to stay in prayer and pray for your spouse, pray for your baby, and make sure that you know what their prayer needs are.

And if you're a man listening to this, just being able to to pray things into your wife. That. you hope to see come to fruition just as a mother. And, um, and so I think that that's really important just to be futuristic with your prayers, but also just to stay in communion with the Lord, uh, so that you can keep your relationship with the Lord strong so that you can pour out.

Yeah. So that's what I would say.

Kayla: Everything about the first year, I mean, everything about everything in life, but really Everything about the first year, from making parenting decisions, taking care of your baby, and focusing on your marriage, like, let the Holy Spirit be your guide. Just rely heavily, heavily, more heavily on the Holy Spirit than you do on Google, promise.

Chris: Oh, man. [01:00:00] Yeah, that's, that's the word, babe.

Kayla: I can try and make that sound better if I thought about it more, but we'll just go with it.

Chris: I like it. Don't, don't change it. It was perfect.

Kayla: Well, that's it. I think that's all we got today.

Chris: Should we, uh, bring in some sound of music? Auf Wiedersehen. Auf

Kayla: Wiedersehen.

So long farewell?

Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that. Do you

Kayla: wanna do that? Nope. I do that with my cousins, but you're not my cousin.

Chris: Thank God. Wow.

Kayla: I just heard it the way you heard it.

Chris: No, that's good. Yeah. Thanks for clarifying that. Really great.

Kayla: Oh my goodness. Okay. I love you, babe.

Chris: I love you too. Goodbye, audience.

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We hope you have a great week, and remember, learn all that you [01:02:00] can, make the best plans, and then leave it in God's hands.

You know, with all those stages, let's talk about milestones for a second. Actually, let me go take my bread out of the oven for a second.

Chris: Pause.

Kayla: Pause some BRB.